It is unbelievable that Bush still does not get it.
He is NOT above the law. This is AMERICA, not Russia, not Iraq. And now he has these tyranny seeking people like Gonzales as Attorney General (if anyone could be as bad as Ashcroft, it's him) and now Judges Robber(t)s and Alito {aLieTo(ld)} coming in to destroy the constitution.
I cannot stand George W. Bush, cannot wait for him to be out of office (and praying for minimum damage to be done to us, the US and the Constitution) but, I COULD cut him some slack on this issue of spying within the country on Americans.
I can be more understanding (though not very supportive) IF we can get an answer to a VERY simple question.
HOW MANY OF US AMERICANS WERE SPIED ON?
30? No problem. OK, it's still not legal, it's not the right way, but acceptable/tolerable to do something "in an emergency" to find 30 bad guys in 300 million.
300? OK, that's a little more worrisome, but still within tolerable limits. One person per million is sure to be found to harbor ill intent towards the USA - especially if we consider and include searching for gun runners, drug smugglers and those smuggling illegal criminals from the Cuba and Mexico endanger America almost as much as AlQaeda.
3000? 30,000? Is that the number? Is that why they won't tell us? That is not the number of people sympathetic to AlQaeda. It is more likely the numbers of people that oppose the tyrannical Presidency Bush wants and they are looking to shut up dissent.
What, are we living in the USSA? As I said, the numbers will tell a story.
19 comments:
Given that this is George W. we're talking about here... All I'm going to say is that perhaps he can't give a number because he simply can't count that high.
Also, maybe he's embarrassed because this whole thing has nothing to do with national security. George W. is just so bored with all the free time he has not doing shit for the country that his new hobby is listening in on other people's "dirty" phone conversations to each other. (He's just upset he got caught and that his new habit has caused a national uproar. Poor Georgie was just trying to get his kicks!)
Can't wait til he's out either.
I love the fact that the only explanation we have so far is that only Al-Qaeda people were targeted. Uh, OK. So, if you know who the Al-Qaeda agents are, catch them all. What are you waiting for Bush Jr? Another 9/11? What a moron he is, and this time our fellow countrymen actually ELECTED him. Wow.
Imran
I wouldn't worry about Bush spying on your dirty conversations that you seem to be so worried about (Would you be so concerned if you didn't have something to hide?) He is too busy keeping this country safe by wiretapping international communications and preventing terrorist attacks. I know it would be easier to just let the attacks happen and then complain about how he did nothing to prevent them but I'd rather he listen in on some telephone calls and keep us from getting attacked.
Hahahaha. I needed a heart laugh this morning and your "opinion" (and I use the term loosely) provided that. You have Spoken like a true Bush coward, even afraid to state your name and identity.
BUSH was the one sitting holding his Dick (Cheney) while he was briefed the DAY BEFORE about 9/11 type attacks. Bush was the one who was sitting while the CIA (that his father shaped) and FBI did not talk to each other and the terrorists were driving around, even getting pulled over and let go.
BUSH IS the one who is sitting playing with Condi while Bin Laden thumbs his ugly nose at us. BUSH is the one who lied to start a war in a country that did NOT attack us. BUSH is the one who is constantly KISSING the King of the country where 17 of 19 hijackers came from AND that is NOT a democracy.
BUSH is the one who broke AMERICAN LAWS to spy on AMERICANS. No wonder he is trampling our Constitution, because people like you are not even intelligent enough to know what that document stands for.
I, as an American, have the right to have any dirty conversations (or phone sex if that is what I want) without the government listening in ILLEGALLY without a warrant.
If they get a warrant from a judge, they are welcome to listen to my calls, day or night, dirty or clean. But, you wouldn't understand the logic about balancing rights and responsibilities because of how deep up Bush' behind your head is stuck. Good bye Ostrich.
Imran
Hello Mr. Communist,
My name is Ellen. I'm 21 and a Republican. Now, since I have much better things to do than thoroughly examine politics at this point in my life I don't know too much about this issue. However, I do know that I am an American and have the right to privacy and I am more than willing to surrender the phone sex conversations I have with my boyfriend if that's going to stop another towel head from bombing the building you work in, even if I wished that it would be blown to pieces. You, my dear liberal friend, are just an ignorant as me in this situation. If you were concerned about the safety of this country instead of worrying about who's listening to you jack off we'd be in a lot better shape.
Have a wonder Valentine's Day. Hope the phone sex is better than ever and I HOPE TO GOD (Yes, I said God) THAT SOME GOOD GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL IS LISTENING.
I love this. The amusing drivel on this thread it truly an entertainment bonus. Ellen, I am more American and believer in American values than you, or those like you iI your generation that seems to only live between beer chugs and finding 100 ways to have an orgasm in Cosmo magazine. Perhaps if you substituted some reading of the Constitution and our History instead of People, Cosmo and Us magazines, you would realize someone listening in to a phone sex conversation is NOT the issue. Since your mind is stuck in that analogy, I will leave you there. And, if those pervert government officials have such pathetic lives and no sex lives that they need to listen to my phone conversations to feel alive, maybe they should put some cameras in my bedrooms too. When you grow up and actually read something on freedom, civil rights, Constitutional rights, etc. that millions of this nation died fighting to create, win and defend, then you will have a better understanding. Until then, live in fear, as Bush wants people to live as scared rodents, but don't forget that subscription renewal to People magazine and don't forget to tune in to American Idol and Dancing With Stars. After all, we are at war.
Imran
HAHA! Mr. Imran,
I am not living in fear because I have the security of a strong, conservative government. This country is better off than it ever was while Clinton was in office. The only thing he did was neglect the terrorism issues. Also, I am well aware of the history of this country and the Constitution of the United States, which makes this nonsense you write about possible. Next, can you actually think that capturing Saddam was a bad thing? If so, you need to take a look at how great the citizens of this country have it. The fact that I can chug a beer and read cosmo all day long is truely a blessing. Not having worry about which family memeber is going to get shot because of something like not having a veil cover my face all the way up to my nose is a travisty. Iraq is much better off with the troops there. Thank you for understanding my life as a college student so well, you must have been a prime example of one in your day.
Sincerely,
Ellen
Ms. Ellen, more Hahaha. Conservative? We have a right-wing religious whacko in the White House and a power-blinded gun-shooting VP giving no-bid contracts to Haliburton. Clinton was not my favorite but I'd take a 3rd term of him over the current moron. The "nonsense" can freely exchange is one of the rights we will one day miss if these tyrants stay in power. hahahahahahahaha. Who ever said catching Saddam was a bad thing. I can go into a Manhattan apartment, cause a fire that destroys the building, kills 100 people but kills one big fat cockroach and come out and ask "Was killing that cockroach such a bad thing?" What a silly example you give, for an educated woman. The son of a bitch Saddam was actually a secular tyrant (supported by Bush/Rumsfeld) whose country did NOT have religious extremists. SAUDI ARABIA, whose King George W. Bush (Brokeback Ranch?) KISSES and HOLDS HANDS with is the one who FINANCED 9/11 AND where women like you would be flogged for driving or showing your arms, much less your attitude. Why did we not change regimes there? Because Bush and Co. Make MONEY from BIG OIL. Wake up, Ellen. You sound intelligent and articulate and you seem to really care about the country. Please Choose to be an American more than a Bush-defending right-wing Constitution-eroding partisan. Please. Your country needs you and your convictions to be in the RIGHT place, not the RIGHT-Wing. Thanks.
Imran
Amusing, but not even remotely interesting comments from Dijhili. As the actor said in the movie RUSH HOUR or something. "Do you understand English? Do you understand the words coming out of my [keyboard]?"
Where am I saying I am worried about personally being spied on. I am a Muslim, I already had the FBI come visit me "for being a Muslim" (not kidding) and were OK with me. I am as (if not more) at risk from terrorists and Arab fundamentalists than you are. I want us to be protected, but not by a tyrant spying on us ILLEGALLY.
If they did not do blanket spying, why not say, 30, 300, 3000 or 30,000 were SPIED on - WITHOUT warrants. Number of suspects found 0. Number of threats found 0. Only Bush (and witless followers of his) count(s) that as results.
As for MY calls being listened to, what makes you think I am not a show-off ;-) and would not mind someone listening to my "naughty phone conversations"?
I also enjoy knowing I have nothing to hide - so, does that mean we should do away with police entering any house they want at any time? Duh.
Good bye freedom, hello tyranny.
Imran
It is important for us to realize that we must make sacrifices in this dangerous time we are living in. If they need to spy to makes us safer than let them. What you're saying is that they can spy as long as it is not Bush? So if Clinton were in office again it would be okay? You would have nothing to say, would you? But it's Bush so that's the problem. That doesn't make sense for someone who seems so intelligent. When I read your responses it seems purely personal as if Bush made fun of you on the playground when you were a kid.
No one is letting police enter houses or violating any freedoms. You call Bush a tyrant but all he wants is to remove tyrants from this world. You call Bush a religious whacko but all he wants is to remove the religious whackos who attacked our country. Wasn't it just announced that a terrorist attack was thwarted on the west coast? Isn't that a positive result?
Hello Mr. Liberal Friend,
It's me again. I have to admit that this is my new favorite thing to do. I'd chose writing on your blog over Cosmo any day. Now, Dijhili's comments were, in fact very interesting. Is it possible you didn't find them interesting because they are true? And maybe we should let the police enter homes without a warrant...homes of registered democrats.
Yours Truly,
Ellen
Wow, Eddie, my friend, whare are you smoking? Stalin, Mao and even Saddam ALL used the same logic to curtail freedom as this tyrant BUSH is doing. We have a SYSTEM that allows judges (special courts available 24 hours) for government to get warrants to search on anyone. If the searches are so valid, why not get a judge to authorize it, as the law REQUIRES? What, we can't trust our own JUDGES?
Also, exactly what is the number of suspects found, plots found, or terrorist conversations recorded by this illegal snooping? ZERO. (A number even Bush can understand).
You are so blindly defending Bush that you are reading words that are not written or implied. ANY American President, even an intelligent one from the past or future, who broke the same law would have me writing the same thing.
Bush wants to remove tyrants? Why does he KISS the King of Saudi Arabia (talk about an inter-racial Brokeback cowboy-camelboy relationship) and not force regime change there? Iraqi women had freedoms even under the scumbag Saddam. Saudi women cannot sneeze without permission, much less drive. No elections. No parties. No criticism of the royal family. No tyrant wannabe Bush is learning from his boyfriend the Saudi king.
Bush announcing a terror plot in 2002 (which was not even a plot, not a plan, not an attempt, but something someone TALKED about) in 2006, an election year for his party, was such hogwash, it insulted the tragedy of 9/11 (which he was warned on 9/10 on and did nothing).
Eddie, wake up, think as an Amwerican, not as a zombie that this cowboy wants everyone to behave as.
Thanks for writing.
Imran
Hello again, Ellen. Nice to hear back from you. Ah, I am honored. Choosing this over Cosmo. I have to admit, I would make the choice based on who was on the cover :-) .
E.g. Charlize Theron, Cameron Diaz, Michelle Pfeiffer, Reese Witherspoon, Kirsten Dunst... those would be hard to pass over for replying to Diljihli or what. :-) But, then, I would be "reading" the magazine only for the pics. :-) Well, OK, I would delay the magazine flipping to respond to you, my favorite intelligent right-winger who I still have hopes of. :-)
But, seriously.... just when I was expressing hope that an obviously intelligent person like you would "get it" you disappointed me. Labels applied on people who expose your erroneous logic is not worthy of someone intelligent like you.
Sorry to disappoint you, shall I call you Ms. Right Wing :-) , but I am NOT a liberal.
And, I am not a Democrat. I supported Bush in his first stolen election, and cannot stand him in his second term when I see him as the biggest threat to our balanced system of government and our values and our global respect and our security.
Much that I have no love for judges who MAKE law with their decisions, I am sorry, I lost respect when you wrote "we should let police enter homes without warrats... homes of registered democrats." That is what tyrannies are composed of.... is that the kind of country you want us to live in? As I said, very disappointed in your opinion/posting this time.
Imran
I'm insulted that you think I am high. I guess it would seem that way to someone who writes things as seemingly drug-induced as "BUSH is the one who lied to start a war in a country that did NOT attack us." If you think that Iraq wasn't helping terrorists I'd see a shrink and if you still believe that he did not have weapons that we KNOW he used in the past then I would lower your xanax doses as well. If you could give me an example of how your personal unalienable rights have been removed because of BUSH then please, please share.
If the JUDGES that we trust had authorized the "snooping" would it have been okay then? I'd imagine that since you are so against it that you'd still complain so why are you insisting he get permission anyway? Another excuse to hate what BUSH does I imagine.
BUSH is listening to international phone calls and you seem to have a problem with the fact that they haven't found anyone plotting something against the United States. And I'm high? Think again. It's because we're over there in Iraq removing the institutions that support and protect terrorists. Would you be a happier person if there were plots against us?
As far as BUSH doing nothing on 9/10 about 9/11 I'd be curious as to where that information is coming from and if you could possibly supply it for me to read. I refuse to believe that BUSH spent a whole day doing nothing with that kind of information. However, I guess it does seem plausible after CLINTON did NOTHING for 8 YEARS which I believe to be the true cause of 9/11. Our friend BUSH is just trying to repair a decade of liberal apathy.
Amwerican? A little egotistical don't you think?
Tccch, tcch, Eddie. I wasn't insulting you and just asked what you were smoking figuratively (especially as I did not ask if you inhaled) or maybe you were/are hallucinating.
YOU wrote that I was OK with Clinton spying on us but not Bush. You'd have to be hallucinating, or inhaling illegal drugs (the kind both Clinton and Bush are said to have used in their youth).
Saddam used Chemical Weapons on HIS own people in an INTERNAL uprising (caused by George Bush Sr.) WHILE American planes watched. Here is the info on US partnering with Saddam and Rumsfeld going to give more support:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/husseinindex.htm
More importantly, Eddie, DO YOU READ NEWSPAPERS? Even a 7 year old (or about the mental age of this President) knows, IRAQ DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. IRAQ DID NOT HAVE WMD. Iraq did have lots of Haliburton no-bid contracts, but that is a minor detail Dick Cheney shot off. Try to repeat after me Eddie. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It is now a MUCH WORSE nursery for terrorists to grow and kill than Afghanistan ever was.
Oh, I forgot, Bin Laden, the guy behind 9/11 is still planning attacks on us (yes, the same guy whose family is friends with Bush' family).
Next, are you living in America or China? We have balances on the power of government, they don't. That is why the court acts as a balance. You don't seem to get (or care) that the laws ensure not just there is a check on government tyrannical or dictatorial methods but that special judges devoted to quick warrants for legal and needed spying on Americans or anyone else under court order exist. Bush bypassed them and according even to some Republicans that can be considered an impeachable offence. Here is just one site mentioning some names:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/15/specter-impeachment/
Eddie, you can't seem to understand. These guys have us living in fear or hoping we will. Keep us in power, there was no attack so we kept you safe. If heaven forbid there is an attack, they'll say, oh, we are the ones who will get revenge, keep us in power. If the spying is so needed, why not do it LEGALLY, unless like other Bush-zombies you believe he should be above the law. If the spying (illegal as it is) also yielded NOTHING, then even more reason to do it legally. Duh.
And, Eddie, I am no partisan. Bush being an incompetent buffoon who is taking us to destruction does not mean Clinton was hard at work (well, he was Hard, while at work) fighting terror. So, stop being a Bush-Zombie and thinking anyone questioning his illegal actions or stupid actions is just a Bush-basher or Clinton-supporter.
Here is information that is HISTORICALLY KNOWN FACT. You can find it on WIKI under KNOWN HISTORY, not CONJECTURE but KNOWN HISTORY:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family_conspiracy_theory
- Saddam Hussein was provided with weapons and funding during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s during the Reagan administration, when George H.W. Bush was Vice President.
- In addition, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense under George W. Bush was the Special Envoy to the Middle East in this period, appointed by President Reagan. He met personally with Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war.
- Dick Cheney was G.H.W. Bush's Defense Secretary, and is currently G.W. Bush's Vice-President. Cheney is the former President and CEO of Halliburton Company which has been given an exclusive and unbidded contract in postwar Iraq.
-In addition, Halliburton's accounting firm was Arthur Andersen, which has been convicted of obstruction of justice, and allegedly committed fraud.
-The Carlyle Group is an investment group which includes members of the Bush family and the bin Laden family (one of the richest in Saudi Arabia).
-George H. W. Bush and bin Ladens were at a Carlyle meeting in a DC hotel the morning of 9/11.
- George W. Bush and Salem bin Laden were coinvestors/business partners in Arbusto Energy.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml shows While private flights were grounded after 9/11, permission was granted to fly several bin Ladens to a gathering location. They left the U.S. before air traffic resumed. In total, four planes were allowed to leave the U.S. with Saudi citizens when the American airspace was closed.
Eddie, this is history, not fiction. This is fact, not Democratic propaganda. Wake up and see where the loyalties of the Bush team lie, in their self-interest, not America's. Try to be on America's side, Eddie, not the Republican or Democratic partys'.
Lastly, in my last comment, Amwerican is a typo, how is that egotistical?
IMRAN ANWAR
Well, isn't this the funnest thing in the world to do, looking at you people jawing each other to death.
Bush is an idiot, a fool, and a crook, who only cares about making money and making sure he goes down in history (although he may not like the present way he's going to go down). But why start jawing about him? If you believe in him, you're in my opinion an idiot, but you may keep your opinion (freedom of speech and freedom to insult). If you don't, congratulations. He's turning America into an object of hate for the entire world, both muslim and otherwise, and if they didn't have their lovely nukes they'd probably be hard put to it already.
Let Bush be an idiot. We can't do anything about him (unless 'we' are terrorists). He does as he pleases, and what he does is destroying America.
And no one stops him.
Thanks, great comment, Jimmy.
Imran
Chase, thanks for stopping by and commenting. You write well -- too bad that the logic in your post is, forgive me for saying it, moronic. I do not know Joanna personally, but her writing and logic is far superior to what you used. You write well --- too bad it is mere words being moved about ignoring the real issues.
2400 DEAD AMERICANS in a war that has ONLY enriched Haliburton, that gets NO BID contracts from a sitting VP who was its CEO... you see that merely as a PR problem? Lies to start a war. Spying on Americans. Contracts to cronies... while sitting like a dumb dodo caught in headlights of an approaching jumbo jet, Bush ignored 9/11 warnings on 9/10 just like he sat like a dumb dodo listening to warnings about hurricane Katrina... Instead of Dubya, we oughta call him Dodoya Bush.
Ref. Your questions about what I know of how things work... I have had more opportunity to work with law enforcement and intelligence people (including US and Pakistan) than you have non-right-wing friends, Chase.
If taking out the tyrant Saddam was the reason to go to war why does Bush hold hands and YUCK KISS the Saudi King at Brokeback Ranch in Texas? Why not ask for elections there... the hijackers on 9/11 came from SAUDI ARABIA with SAUDI MONEY. Doh.
I love AMERICA, while you and your friends love BUSH and HALIBURTON. So, I speak up FOR America even when I speak againts American policy and government officials.... you only speak for Bush.
Thanks for your comment anyway.
Imran
Hi Chase.... sorry, have you been going to Mexico a lot to enjoy legalization of drugs there?
I was a critic of several Clinton policies but How did Bill Clinton get to award NO-BID contracts to Haliburton DATED 2003?
Is Bush doing for Clinton what Lewinsky used to do?
Imran
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